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" It's it's just it's too easy in two groups Philly kick people when they're down I I don't wanna go you know it's really. Yeah they're they're never as good as you wanna think they are as I was begging people to understand that they get gifts from Pittsburgh and Seattle. But they're also never as bad as you think they I mean that that was her. An -- Sunday I don't think they're gonna play. That badly again this year. He had at the end of the day you know they did they just they're who they are -- they're kind of a middle of the road no talent wise. Average type football team and and the Bengals aren't as good anywhere near as good as they look Sunday obviously. Revenge was very important to Cedric Benson who appeared to -- offensive line want to help him get it. And -- they they had one of those magical days they've they had a perfect game and and the Bears took the brunt of us."

" So what does it mean that they were capable of losing that badly that's it right into me and I imagine you're losing games but. Does it and tell us what tier of teams there in because they were able to be blown out like that."

" Or does that not know it's it's very significant means that there -- an extremely average team that kind of day when they just don't show up. Kind of gave when their coaches put them in the position to lose as opposed to putting in a position to win. That they get their butts kicked by a good team and I think the Bulls are good team I just don't think they're great team. You. -- Obviously at this point something is wrong with Matt Forte obviously at this point. Greg Olsen is not the player that we hoped he would be at this stage of his career I need to talk about the offensive line wide receiver we've beaten that up for a long time. What we thought was some of the the potential strengths just aren't there and then you turn it around on defense. You know I'm not ready to make the defense for the ways the defensive line in the way slam and everybody's been trying to the last 48 hours because the reality is. -- LA is a very highly respected. He's back and do some things who is Gaines Adams and an end and you know maybe Marcus Harrison and Izzy Idonije and and and possibly -- Pretty much good enough Tommie Harris at this point but maybe Mark Anderson made there still some stuff there. The linebackers are just too banged up in the secondary is no good but don't play what kills me about about Sunday and I think -- guys one point if they're trying to decide. Who had the worst game yes we -- it well I mean to me it was no contest and I feel. Really bad about it B because I I don't think he's a he's a bad you know he's a bad football player I was kind of excited -- until. -- Smith is bad coach but he's made his bones on defense. Defensive coordinator on the linebacker coach and then there's the assistant head coach defense. Rod Marinelli."

" And then went put Nick Roach in a situation in which he was doomed to fail. You know this is a guy who we actually beat out Hunter Hillenmeyer at the Sam backer spot last year. And yet they felt that homeowner was their best option to keep as their number two middle linebacker. Now they weren't thrilled enough about either one during the offseason that they didn't go get -- TC TC -- Samoa to start the Sam backer spot. So now what you're saying in the -- your your third best. Sam -- And Roche didn't get on the chart the middle linebacker TJ Hillenmeyer back. Why don't you put Nick -- in the middle -- no Mayer outside asked the same question is if you're having trouble getting into your defense slant. Think guys and this is not between ninth and once and I debated this the pregame show offered for fifteen minutes on Sunday. And and when I heard this was happening last Thursday for I was -- could not if you go back and watch the tape for the first half. -- and I heard some talk about the safeties playing two deep -- what. The safeties responsibility. In this in the cover two is nobody gets behind them. So in the effort."

" it's reported to keep. But they're doing what they're supposed to do."

" The trick is to figure out what the appropriate drop his -- that middle linebacker and a close off that middle home ten to 1416 yards down the field. And every single play that they made in the middle of the field the passing game the one constant. With after the play you -- Nick Roach. Backpedaling."

" Tripping you know sliding into immediately after the receiver would only -- the kids no clue he didn't belong in the middle linebacker and so."

" My fault the players I fault the talent but this particular case it was just one of them the worst coaching decisions I've ever seen any given week. This every once and -- Still this good have been asking this is where we're there's something about this earlier in IS -- this question. And you've been around I again I said you through the first javelin. And -- the first half believe. How well do you think you know Lovie Smith. Yeah I ask despite those who imagine tired you -- got through this have to dump. I don't know -- fairly well you know the first year here. One when I was told on the broadcast I was doing any shows no unless I've -- fairly well. I -- known as well as anybody in the media is going to. But I can't tell you guys. Are highly placed people in those offices in Lake Forest who will tell you. They don't know Lovie Smith and these are guys who are supposed to be working the closest with them week in and week out. It's not something that he's keeping in reserve from the media or from the public. That's his persona. And you know I heard you guys comparing him to the today I think curiosity question you know what's to -- and Dick Jauron. There is significant difference be because you know I mean -- talk about lack of emotion we're talking about lack of a personality and -- has. Has a great personality and me and forget these guys know is different in my tactic anybody in the media who was out there every day you know when he was around here. He was -- be a great sense of humor he was warm he edge from tremendously varied interest off the field he was an exceptionally bright guy. Anybody who who's been around loving left -- and you don't know who he is you know -- and an -- a bad thing -- but that's just --"

" Yeah I don't either I I mean I say I IE. Don't know women I don't know if that's a bad on my larger point is when the default setting for the average fan is fire the -- is they've fired coach Lovie sucks. I I I think he is sort of less entitled to. Two to complain about that he hasn't but anybody supporting him -- like I always wonder why is the default setting so anti Lovie. And I think part of it part of it is just familiarity part of it is the other one -- your role. Part of it is it and there's there's stuff he says that people don't believe it might be the way he says of I think primarily. He is not really cared to forge a personal connection because he's not a politician and he really doesn't have to."

" Yeah I think there's a couple things going on there and then let me say emphatically I do not believe they should fire Lovie is a matter of fact. I'm not sure he gets enough credit for winning as many games as he has with less talent than some of the other good teams in the NFL at some point we gotta get. -- to what's really wrong with taveras which deserve their basic failure in the draft over the last eight years now what's left of the players you're asking to do things. They're not really capable of doing Alan -- that has a bad football coach. I think there's issues that that we as media and fans can look at I think the reason people left from a couple things first of all. Making five million bucks a year. That's a little hard for any of us to take one what we're getting what we saw on Sunday and that's going to be the natural reaction of the fans. But I think the other thing is something I think we talked about this last weekend that he is that when when Lovie looks in the camera. His answer isn't just come -- tiny thing but it's kind of the -- the impression I get is only care when -- like they're not you know and and I think that. I don't think he means to be dismissive I don't think he means to demean the media or the fans. But I think that's kind of how it comes across when he continues to to refuse to --"

" Even the fans are entitled to no end and they just shouldn't even -- stop wanting to know he can only take it two ways either they're not entitled to know -- smart enough to understand I don't. I don't think that's what he means but I don't hear the wind comes across again it's something that is that is reflected back upon him. Did either of the key is the you don't believe that he means that I don't either. Hey I do think there's there's some sort of what it is there's a stylistic lost in translation."

" In Indian and you know personal one on one. Off to the side off the record around Dallas well around events I have found him to the pleasant. And the and warm but then the next where you're supposed to uses engaging. He's really not because even in the private conversations he. For anything and this is where I come back to the other there's folks that work with him up there in the front office and on the coaching staff. Who privately will admit that that there sometimes puzzled by the same thing that he's just very difficult guys to understand."

" Anyone who would you -- I I think it's fair -- attached to him is stubborn about things is that true hobby would you agree with epic duels of all we stubbornly won't change history won't change that is that fair."

" He but yet her show me NFL coach who isn't and then never met one who isn't you know and win whether he is more stubborn. I don't know I you know no talk about a couple different characters 11 characteristic as stubborn. When people are stubborn their less likely to admit when they've made a mistake and to me that's compound near to second situation. The end and I don't know the -- is unwilling to admit he makes mistakes and correct them but he certainly makes the same mistake three or four times before he gets around -- doing something about it."

" what's the deal Vasher at safety is that just today it is. What hey let's see what the hell they wouldn't get so a lot of them or they really think that that is a project that is worth investing time."

" No I I think it's a until last -- to guess with jay and I and I know that they tried to get a late round draft choice form prior to the deadline and they couldn't. He is at this point you know kind of failed at cornerback. I think he hears it I'm kind of happy to hear because they're just being honest now every guy they've tried to start at safety since Mike Brown's been a failure and and so let's give Nate Vasher -- I heard there was going to be a Corey Graham experiment that never happened and I'm not sure what it's. But the chance but I -- made it -- at free safety you know he made his he he he's got big and he's not tough but when he was on the corner he would come up and stick his head and you know and so enough to wanna play in the free safety. I don't know if he's gonna be a liability against the run I don't think he's going to be a big time run stuffer. But I don't know that he'd be a liability and he might help beyond coverage with stuff here Nuggets now so I think it's a worthwhile experiment. But I would say with some certainty that's what it is as an experiment in unless he you know takes advantage Evanston grabbed himself a position he won't be back."

" Q how will we come back will talk about the Tommie Harris situation yes but with cub we do it Tuesdays and Wednesdays. Tuesdays we talked of Wednesday's you talked to hub at 5 o'clock on WSCR the score."

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" I've I've read them. Now that I think head I think video is the leader of the -- bad movement and I believe the -- straddling a way to win fire was discovered as it was it was brought to him by by a rival tribe and I believe. And -- interrupted by -- think you said they did they were gonna need further longitudinal study had a right to be possible downside of fire before using it to cook meat. Please let -- talking. Call it doesn't feel losing age story feels just find -- with the big story the last couple days obviously then. You know Tommie Harris who says I'm fine I don't want to -- that creates. The whole press -- yesterday and will be kind of actually warding off a little bit to what went on here."

" Well yeah. You know everybody I think is feeling good about the way Lovie handled it definitely in terms of the sense that he called Tommie Harris out. Any kind of put the onus on the player and and simply said that you know we thought we had a better option. I'm I'm a little confused because I heard some some -- earlier today where he said not this was after the factor this was also miss this press -- Where he said you know we thought. We we give Tommy time to rest and take the weekend off and then he'd be able to practice this week is as we wouldn't be sort may be okay Sunday's. So now we're back to it again is the -- is -- you know hey. And I just don't care anymore because he's not a very good football player anymore they. And I feel bad -- because of injury but why we continue to play this game is a mystery to me the man hasn't made -- significant player on the football field all year long. And it really doesn't matter if it's because of injury or because of his attitude and you know and then the one thing I never get caught up and as far as the money you know this kind of known bugs some fans. But I miss not my money you know on the -- Dillon from the from the McCaskey then shame on them for women get away you're."

" Khatami have played if I wanted him to yes. But so we can get a better timing if we let him risk this past week and get ready for this week. We should see Thomas should be good to go as we know there isn't anything wrong times come in and play this week there was more coach's decision. As much as any thing. He has has some soreness in practice all week. Though we had better options."

" This is where I'm confused of those both from the same press -- cooked for the -- is yes yes they are they're from yesterday I am so I -- I. I think that from for from the Bears percent from our perspective I agree with Lovie just don't within what time -- you know if if he does practice. And he practices well enough to give you an indication he's gonna play better than one the other three guys then -- let him play Sunday. And if he doesn't practice or even if he doesn't really look good when keeps it now because it's not like you're hurt the team he has been making any plans anyway."

" That's why I think there's some football desperation here to -- I think today you really. Miss. Eat something. From the under tackle something. And if they think that they'd need to light a fire under and you just do what they've done that like right now like you have to practice field to play either you're hurt or you're not but either way I I think there's some -- actual football desperation that is -- not just sort of playing. Be -- any motivational. Gain more or burger trying to punish him I really think they just wanna know can you help but."

" Sold here's here's what's really going young guys and it was it was a great piece by Molly yesterday morning 'cause he nailed it. The Tampa two will be back in a few years once everybody gets away from it because it's not working can -- somebody you'll all resurface at retort no make it work. But in that defense if you don't have a three technique. And you now don't have the middle linebacker who dropped into the deep zones and your safeties stink you can't play it. And so -- has a choice either continue to struggle and find something from the three technique can convince yourself that Nick Roach is gonna do the job in middle linebacker. We've got to stop plan the defense that that you became head coach for. And and so he's got himself for real formal. Few would never do that so Woody but it looked pretty good today but if -- recovered to almost all game well yeah another visited there is a bit of that. -- some and then start to get in the -- now but hopefully he'll who have. There's there's Tampa two and there's comfort to a minute there's a basic cover two couldn't. It was really just means that you always got those safeties deep is the second coverage guy and anything that's come and -- there's don't. The Tampa two as we get into really relying on their three technique to be disruptive. An end and you've got the middle linebacker taken those deep drops and so you know you complacent deep zone coverage to call whatever you want. But but if Lovie wants his base package to be his Tampa two was he said you know third of the time. He's got to get something out of their three technique possession and he's not get the front -- I think more I think you're right I think there's a sense of desperation but the real desperation if he's the highest paid defensive help the team we -- him -- about Sunday."

" I think he had the it's part desperation is also they just you don't if you're not gonna practice you better be great. I'm Sunday's include obvious you point out correctly he has have been great and suddenly he just hasn't been. Yeah I think they've won they feel like. If -- last gasp is here maybe if you practice you'll actually be ready for the games so what's the classic well which -- I mean is he really night. Going to be good is is the last ten games -- the last there will see him as a bear. Or is there something else there's the I just don't think he's the same player I don't I don't together because he's not willing to practice where your restore whatever. -- I think the injuries have just dropped into what we see these days I think there's."

" The third -- in the nobody talks about that is the most likely answer which is that with all the damage that has been done. The leg -- not a question of whether he's hurt and that is -- work as well as he used to indeed I have the first step and and the quick twitch and the ability to do what he what he wants to do. And I am not sure we'll -- in the world is gonna bring them back himself I EI need to do this -- I think what Bears fans needed to really start to come to grips with here. Is that Tommie Harris is just a symptom he's not the problem. I was playing with some earlier today and we we've kind of danced up to this a few times and and that was -- time focusing at the bit after -- really think you have to. Jerry Angelo has managed eight drafts for the Chicago Bears the 2002 draft was his first draft even though he got here no one -- Got here in 04 seat in the last six or less people I didn't want -- the last eight drafts. Which you start those drafts with 161 and second round picks that you can make trades get some more give us some of the other day. Those -- the assets he went into those drafts with -- those sixteen picks. The Bears currently have seven players on their roster today 31 rounder is. Tommie Harris Greg Olsen and Chris Williams who are. Mediocre at best and for a second rounder in peanut Tillman Danieal Manning Devin Hester and Matt Forte. See that's it kinds I mean and so everything else you've got. He is somebody that somebody else got rid of or somebody you've got in the middle rounds or free agent. And it's it's a very high level look at kind of basic way to do it. But it's a clear indication. That the talent level on this team is probably not equal to the teams they wanna compete with."

" Yeah you're too we -- this last week Kenya we I got a lot of reaction when people say no disguise fallen for public should know -- this -- telling you the truth because like I I I see the same thing it's not like. Well -- really out there was this bill. Of your -- there was that's exactly what it is yet. Actually look good or bad football team would know guys what they think they they were on nine and 779. Two years another three -- three and and and and -- I guess I spent too much time on the Thursday night broadcast with Dennis -- last year because I don't -- who I think. McKnight and then we doctor -- eight it week this is exactly how we assessed them even with the arrival of Jay Cutler admitted bothers you people say that -- well I guess. I guess Jay Cutler isn't gonna magically leader of the Super Bowl won't nobody see anyone over Baghdad."

" Jay Cutler is an excellent acquisition because you now have the guys you can rebuild around. We've seen in today's NFL that with one or two real good drafts and some savvy free agency moves you can make things happen fast. But the problem with this team is everybody thought hero was going up the -- and going down for two years and now it's time to acknowledge it and -- do something and start the arrow pointing back up. Yeah -- the next draft you don't have a one or two to do it."

" You don't see him run yesterday out in the short term hot and they take the pressure off Cutler so he's not trying to big -- too much -- it seems like. He's trying to score three touchdowns on every pass play this."

" Well you know listen Matt Forte did not become the worst running back in the NFL overnight he's just not playing like he did last year. And and you hear talk about this but we've never seen the Bears do it. Which is you come out and you run the ball three times and he'll get the first time you go off and then come out and do it again and do three or four times and they're really want to do not trying to win these cures him though the defense a little better and they were last week and they certainly can't be against the Browns guys and sure you noticed Ryan Grant had a 145 yards rushing against the Cleveland Browns itself. Yeah you gotta get met Matt Forte feeling more confident you've got to help the offensive line. By saying we're gonna go out knock people's heads -- forget the finance forget the pass protection forget. Let's go as my -- hang up calls let's go give somebody -- Wilson animal and yeah and -- if they do that Sunday if they get these guys back from the positions they belong input normally are in the middle move -- backup for the Sam backer. Get the younger defensive lineman out there -- a little bit more. You know Cleveland is not gonna -- agency in the passing game and they may make a big play here and there I don't care who you play a safety or cornerback. Get out of the Tampa two blitz -- rush the passer creates momentum for yourself to run the football create some momentum on defense. Get a win and then it could be interesting when a good Arizona team comes in here the week after."

" Minnesota did when asked about Larry Johnson situation and then. What else is -- Kansas City, Kansas seems to be hurrying a bit -- beautiful birdied the fifth and we will do that. Thank you arranger and we're visiting with -- expert partition UN there's a little incident to have things going on in KC Arthur give Larry just -- isn't exactly the best guy in the NFL. Is now you're firing off tweaks about his coach not knowing the game we're not having played the game making fun of him for being a golf coach. And he also was calling reporters I guess you using homosexual slurs to describe reporters."

" Well you said at all enemy he's not the best guy in the world going in he's kind of goofy and he's been trouble before. He's not producing these kind of bad football team. Now I don't think there's any excuse for what he did but I think we talked. Even before going to -- and -- not the most puzzling offseason the -- to me anywhere -- giving Todd -- that job. Because he's gonna continue to have these kind of problems he he is a very confrontational guy. Who doesn't bring a lot of cash -- and and Larry Johnson is a pro bowler and so when he is dismissive about him and Matt Wise enough to see the trouble brewing beneath the surface. And probably. -- But didn't put anything to keep it from happening -- toxic mix so Johnson appears to be done you know as bad as the Chiefs are he's been slipping for two years. The other word we heard today as they've told him to stay away. My guess is he'll get his release in the in the next week course to the problems they're -- to take a huge campaign for a because they give in the big contract two years ago."

" I'm -- any -- really know -- you correctly point out we did talk about before and she couldn't wait to get into what she's BI I mean he we've literally been in their five minutes. He was into was somebody with a player he is gone out of his way to confront pretty much every player in his locker yes and and then apparently. There's a method there I just don't know what it is you know an."

" I don't assume there's MFS well. Suddenly he -- there -- you know this is sudden death. I think this is why did he he's he's changing -- this is the new it is the most popular cliche and coaching he's changing the culture. Unfortunately what culture he's bringing in a little bit of a mystery to most of us thought that applies also."

" The Bears opponent this week where Mangini is doing so and another when things and raise some eyebrows and caused people ask some questions. I guess he's gonna continue to start Derek Anderson seems."

" Has been much worse than Brady Quinn now -- today. And it's then again it's it is his -- Any Bears fans that opened an upset anybody because the Bears are so much better than the bronze in the chase it's ridiculous I mean. This is not all doom and gloom the Bears don't need nearly. The complete rebuilding overall -- that these teams see there are some things people work with the Bears need to end Jay Cutler so I feel good about Sunday and it that this team. I don't know what. If the Bears are not angry if they don't come out impress you I don't care what the final score is that if they don't physically beat up the Cleveland Browns. Then we may have to pull out that famous Mike Ditka quote from the 88 and 89 season. Which is -- and -- another game but I don't think that's gonna happen after I think they're gonna come out and get very physical and get a lot of their frustration out. And it's a perfect time to have the Cleveland Browns coming to town."

" There really is we like to go there really is the beauty of the NFL because you say well of course it's a game they should win. Now it's a game you better damn well win otherwise then then people won't really think. This thing is off the threat to let you can't beat them up but yet but then all of these jobs and then gently get bigger problem."

" Play you know and now has just in -- now because there's so much money involved and we don't know how to McCants he would react to that regardless of what -- Phillips and Jerry Angelo want to do. But I but I think of the kind of like to leave you with -- different for Bears fans is. You know yeah. And I'm kind of person on this team right now because I think they've been over evaluated. But they're really the same team that they were the last two seasons when they were in the playoff chase until week fifteen or week sixteen. So this season could still be very entertaining know that there's some good games coming I'm anxious to see Arizona and the Eagles you got to with the Vikings and and there's time to do some things. The reality is they're not going to the Super Bowl they're probably not going to be in the playoffs. But they're not -- embarrassed themselves again like they did last Sunday either I really don't think that's gonna happen. Yeah I guy I -- the Arizona wide receivers just are fearful of getting over here foolish to think I should have frightened that was pretty impressive -- that's that that's the that was better than they were in the playoffs the other and they weren't a Super -- greens they were in their balanced on both sides of the ball and I don't think they had -- and and you -- New Orleans is the -- on Minnesota's -- the Giants are that bad I think Philadelphia is -- what the -- is Dallas doing so. You know now when you say we're can the Bears really go. He has got OK IMO you don't enjoy -- a week at a time and hope that they can get into a position where they're still contending for a wild card spot come week 1213 fourteen yard hope we will speak with few tomorrow and we will turn the colors loose on."