" Baseball prospectus dot com senior writer Will Carroll joining us on the score hello will old they are you guys -- we're -- are you doing. --"

" Also. Argued. I honestly didn't think I'd turned in my -- Back."

" That Monday -- After the season was done just before the playoffs got started."

" Santana Dan -- on your ballot. And it turned out to be controversial."

" Controversial it's just a different way of looking at things I'm I'm surprised he didn't get more consideration I -- you -- going to win. I thought he would give you know third fourth I thought Carpenter was going to be America more people were considering him. -- that thought Clinton was gonna win the famed running away and it turned out to be very very close."

" Full what do we learned -- from not only Lincecum this victory his second consecutive but bad and Zack Greinke within the margin of the number of first place votes he got."

" I don't think there's much of anything that we learn from and I think both are very very deserving. -- yeah -- Or to wave the best pitcher this year I find it hard to believe that today anybody else would have to be -- someone. As the number one -- but I I would certainly listen to the argument. I didn't -- well the people with the argument as to why don't we why it was good you don't. Razor thin margin better than Lincecum inherit a razor thin margin better than Carpenter."

" What was your reasoning for the -- action there was a while Henry Schulman I wanna say from the favorite sisco chronicle talked about why he voted for what. Carpenter's -- would have voted for when I don't have to evaluate him and just argue that his second half what was your rationale for the razor thin margin over Lincecum."

" For Wainwright. -- without sleep -- win about it that he was out there every start and for me on both sets and -- yeah look at one to -- the reinforced."

" He was -- outfit for every you don't. Just a little bit more dominant."

" He went about it a very different way he was much more of a picture whereas. A ligament out there was stuff and when he. It off he's ordinary. He relies on good."

" People behind. You're -- coming actually from. Yeah."

" Honestly I think that the real difference for me was the fact that he had. Starts down the stretch. And that's a big step -- big different you have to be out -- you have to be taking the ball."

" And beyond normally what I write about his injuries so maybe I can amplify that help a little bit more than most."

" In the did did you do."

" The weekend and I feel obviously I thought here and clearly in the first half he was."

" And I don't think many people go."

" Go camping unhappy. Was letting him down when you -- quick contact."

" The team out of -- and you look at just the wrong numbers. It sure -- was great he had. Destroyed nearly two full strikeouts per game better than."

" Carpenter. Into."

" It was almost identical actually a little bit."

" Leave for some."

" And I thought the way he went about it all season long but."

" exceeded five more starts but."

" You need to believe. Carpenter was so much better."

" Actually Mitchell Boggs fit."

" For more than what."

" CI Cowboys and I guess he's barely -- baseball's didn't Jones put it away is because I don't know how many he would be interested in watching Arizona on that really interest -- watching realist and -- Other day I'd have -- deep that's baseball thank you very much but yeah --"

" In the AL I'm an email videos I'm."

" Indianapolis and you really got into baseball city. -- I'm dusty got into the red go to the right direction."

" He really -- okay."

" And."

" Yeah I would."

" In the picture and yet when we will. -- Injury in the National League. The margin they don't need Carpenter and Harry and -- mighty good movement -- del you're not gonna go wrong either way it's. Feel bad day or maybe."

" Pitcher in baseball but let me ask about how do you go about balancing the sum of what you what your eyes tell you in some of what the numbers tell you when it comes to making some of these decisions because. Clearly Greinke. And historically. -- amazing season you have someone over the 83. Best pitched season in baseball history. As if we CD they'll fielding independent pitching and a lot of these advanced metrics to show just how amazing it was Joe -- reading the other day about how it's a victory over the wind and the wind it isn't a telling stat. It was looking it's a Felix Hernandez a -- a terrific year terrific pitcher also ahead who -- leave the -- best defense in the major leagues behind it. The very my partner made a case for CC sabathia saying here's a guy who signed for huge money. On the New York Yankees in the when he walks out to the mound every day the world is on his shoulders much more so possess it might happen. -- much more so even than a guy like Greinke who. They even though he knows he can make every run scored forum is still. At the end of the day standing on the mound in Kansas City and not in Yankee Stadium is there validity to taking these other things into consideration and and how do you strike a balance."

" I think it is you know I I don't have a way of measuring those those intangible that's what we called intangible that you don't I don't know who -- Sure I don't know who thrived under the pressure I can only look at performance."

" And for me -- we should have the time to do."

" Before my ballot there's kind of grew up on when he was supposed to be turned the end I thought I had a 24 hours but I. Obviously have gone back have watched every single start for the five guys."

" That I look at I doctor -- I talked to players. I look at the numbers. And I'm very comfortable with how it came out what I."

" I think holds most of for the NL is."

" This guy off the team and put him on the other one."

" It changed the picture he was."

" On the Cardinals for the other team."

" If you put hair and on the Cardinals I'm not sure he would have been a better pitcher. -- out there there have been certainly a better defense there was certainly a lot more run support. There's certainly more pressure and we don't know how he'd react to bad but I try to make it as neutral as popcorn -- The stats that we can use that neutralizes good thank. Support out of that that's where the air and really kind to. If they truly know that's why you in the third place vote but he did I think that even that that -- played it over Harbour absolutely killed it."

" I do think to what his love for music you judge it seems nobody guys over many years wilt under the New York spotlight and he did not forget -- I've seen out a little money go out the door this just awful money and they could absolutely not do it couldn't wait to get out there is a different world to pinch hit in the big fat guy for what everybody she didn't. But he absolutely did at a -- park -- there and then now are going bad you quite well."

" To an idea and then certainly got the reputation that because I have. Indelible effect in right field but it."

" We saw that a lot -- Everybody other than Chase Utley in the world."

" a pitcher in the eighth inning in the ninth inning. So much right now a lot of these accident years and years and -- massive that I can't even comprehend trying to figure out what clutch hit."

" They what it is."

" And they."

" Didn't usually work out so well CC sabathia on the big."

" That worked out pretty well this guy like the big spotlight."

" That's an interesting way of putting because I agree with you there's no convincing argument for the existence of clutch unless we stay. Lack of choke constitutes clutch if you aren't the same player. If you if you are who you are and if you are the same player in that situation you are and any other. That's essentially what clutch is because you -- have no -- when he gets bad and just gets better they're just better and I have find themselves in a number of those situations. Yeah exactly."

" in the playoffs for the."

" He was on. You know and these are different situations. But the expectation doesn't mean they're definitely different obviously when you're on the big -- corner trying to live up for that matter. -- pressure and I think those are things we had."

" Consideration."

" We look at the jail for that and have a."

" I would just say this to him by the numbers the other guys had got actually has so I think now them doesn't Indy petted Noah the most wins. In playoff history. Yeah remember that -- all good fielder so many more teams now. I -- still it's still all he's not I don't think she's a legendary pitcher you ladies and only fuels. --"

" His policy in case because. You know -- last year Mike. And then -- That outfit for the Hall of Fame."

" Had to work to retire this year in mile oval to be 2000."

" He never would we really consider any had a Hall of Fame player and I think he's one of those."

" I wouldn't I don't keep. Under the wind gave the Hall of Fame about all of Gooden have."

" So White Sox are set to acquire Omar Vizquel it seeing. -- say any thoughts of any 42 year old already three like going through all time great fielder still with and I guess enough ability."

" Insurance policy I know they have a number of ways they wanna go. You know they they have been Prado who they're hoping will be ready I don't."

" He is they have they've got Beckham who could move over to. Over to shortstop. And."

" A phenomenal year and it's going to be a player that the."

" The franchise and a couple years it'll -- They're a lot of ways that."

" If people are maybe not."

" The glove and then go out there you know 23 times a week and make your pick."

" Be good so I think that. You know the really small ones. Someone who might not -- it now. That you'll get the big headlines but says that will help the ballclub. In the end I do think he needs a real shortstop fair -- that Beckham or whether that's someone else."

" Well he's they've moved Beckham the second and -- team's gonna play third. That's what they've done."

" Well piano or."

" Up until he's telling you right now."

" I'm sure they have. Having here there's like Kenny and Rick and the -- organization very very smart and they they -- player a whole lot better idea. -- They got a -- stuff he was good there in college. But you know who. That worked out obviously this okay can step isn't happy that it. Replacement field veteran leader I think you'll get along really well you know might be avoidable even at times. -- and then obviously. Anybody on the infield have a lot to learn -- they'll have a lot to do with how well over there."

" All right well we appreciate that you made sense to me. Yeah I don't -- any advice would I probably would have done the same thing I I probably -- I mean I -- here. It's only reason I watched type -- baseball and really try to avoid it like the plague them politically feisty he's digital watch. Other than just -- will thank you -- it's what Will Carroll a senior writer for baseball prospectus dot com join his son WSCR. The score."